Book contents
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Copyright page
- Contents
- Illustration and Tables
- Places of Original Publication
- Preface
- Editions and Abbreviations
- Introduction to Volume II: Comedy, Herodotus, Hellenistic and Imperial Greek Poetry, the Novels
- 1 Who is Dicaeopolis? (1988)
- 2 Marginalia Obsceniora: Some Problems in Aristophanes’ Wasps (1990)
- 3 Wine in Old Comedy (1995)
- 4 Ionian Iambus and Attic Komoidia: Father and Daughter, or Just Cousins? (2002)
- 5 Socrates in Aristophanes’ Clouds and the Audience of Attic Comedy (2007)
- 6 Aristophanes’ Clouds: An Agonistic Note (2015)
- 7 The Lesson of Book 2 (2018)
- 8 Theocritus’ Seventh Idyll, Philetas and Longus (1985)
- 9 Frame and Framed in Theocritus Poems 6 and 7 (1996)
- 10 The Reception of Apollonius Rhodius in Imperial Greek Literature (2000)
- 11 Time and Place, Narrative and Speech in Philicus, Philodamus and Limenius (2015)
- 12 Greek Sophists and Greek Poetry in the Second Sophistic (1989)
- 13 Poetry and Poets in Asia and Achaea (1989)
- 14 Greek Poetry in the Antonine Age (1990)
- 15 Hadrian and Greek Poetry (2002)
- 16 Dionysius of Alexandria: A Greek Poet in the Roman Empire (2004)
- 17 Luxury Cruisers? Philip’s Epigrammatists between Greece and Rome (2012)
- 18 Doing Doric (2016)
- 19 The Novels and the Real World (1977)
- 20 The Readership of Greek Novels in the Ancient World (1994)
- 21 Philostratus: Writer of Fiction (1994)
- 22 Names and a Gem: Aspects of Allusion in the Aethiopica of Heliodorus (1995)
- 23 The Ancient Readers of the Greek Novels (1996)
- 24 Phoenician Games in Heliodorus’ Aethiopica (1998)
- 25 The Chronology of the Earlier Greek Novels since B. E. Perry: Revisions and Precisions (2002)
- 26 The Function of Mythology in Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe (2003)
- 27 Metaphor in Daphnis and Chloe (2005)
- 28 The Construction of the Classical Past in the Ancient Greek Novels (2006)
- 29 Viewing and Listening on the Novelist’s Page (2006)
- 30 Direct Speech in Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe (2006)
- 31 Pulling the Other? Longus on Tragedy (2007)
- 32 Links between Antonius Diogenes and Petronius (2007)
- 33 Literary Milieux (2008)
- 34 The Uses of Bookishness (2009)
- 35 Country Virtues, City Vices in Longus, Daphnis and Chloe? (2009)
- 36 Socrates’ Cock and Daphnis’ Goats: The Rarity of Vows in the Religious Practice of the Greek Novels (2012)
- 37 Caging Grasshoppers: Longus’ Materials for Weaving ‘Reality’ (2013)
- 38 ‘Milesian Tales’ (2013)
- 39 A Land without Priests? Religious Authority in Longus, Daphnis and Chloe (2015)
- 40 Poetic Elements in the Greek Novelists’ Prose (2017)
- 41 Captured Moments: Illustrating Longus’ Prose (2018)
- 42 Λέξεις Λόγγου (2019)
- 43 Animals, Slaves and Masters in Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe (2019)
- 44 The Demotion of the Literary Cowherd (2019)
- 45 Callimachus and Longus (2019)
- 46 Silence in Chariton, Xenophon, Achilles Tatius and Longus (2020)
- Bibliography
- Index Locorum
- Index of Greek Terms
- General Index
5 - Socrates in Aristophanes’ Clouds and the Audience of Attic Comedy (2007)
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 10 October 2023
Book contents
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Copyright page
- Contents
- Illustration and Tables
- Places of Original Publication
- Preface
- Editions and Abbreviations
- Introduction to Volume II: Comedy, Herodotus, Hellenistic and Imperial Greek Poetry, the Novels
- 1 Who is Dicaeopolis? (1988)
- 2 Marginalia Obsceniora: Some Problems in Aristophanes’ Wasps (1990)
- 3 Wine in Old Comedy (1995)
- 4 Ionian Iambus and Attic Komoidia: Father and Daughter, or Just Cousins? (2002)
- 5 Socrates in Aristophanes’ Clouds and the Audience of Attic Comedy (2007)
- 6 Aristophanes’ Clouds: An Agonistic Note (2015)
- 7 The Lesson of Book 2 (2018)
- 8 Theocritus’ Seventh Idyll, Philetas and Longus (1985)
- 9 Frame and Framed in Theocritus Poems 6 and 7 (1996)
- 10 The Reception of Apollonius Rhodius in Imperial Greek Literature (2000)
- 11 Time and Place, Narrative and Speech in Philicus, Philodamus and Limenius (2015)
- 12 Greek Sophists and Greek Poetry in the Second Sophistic (1989)
- 13 Poetry and Poets in Asia and Achaea (1989)
- 14 Greek Poetry in the Antonine Age (1990)
- 15 Hadrian and Greek Poetry (2002)
- 16 Dionysius of Alexandria: A Greek Poet in the Roman Empire (2004)
- 17 Luxury Cruisers? Philip’s Epigrammatists between Greece and Rome (2012)
- 18 Doing Doric (2016)
- 19 The Novels and the Real World (1977)
- 20 The Readership of Greek Novels in the Ancient World (1994)
- 21 Philostratus: Writer of Fiction (1994)
- 22 Names and a Gem: Aspects of Allusion in the Aethiopica of Heliodorus (1995)
- 23 The Ancient Readers of the Greek Novels (1996)
- 24 Phoenician Games in Heliodorus’ Aethiopica (1998)
- 25 The Chronology of the Earlier Greek Novels since B. E. Perry: Revisions and Precisions (2002)
- 26 The Function of Mythology in Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe (2003)
- 27 Metaphor in Daphnis and Chloe (2005)
- 28 The Construction of the Classical Past in the Ancient Greek Novels (2006)
- 29 Viewing and Listening on the Novelist’s Page (2006)
- 30 Direct Speech in Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe (2006)
- 31 Pulling the Other? Longus on Tragedy (2007)
- 32 Links between Antonius Diogenes and Petronius (2007)
- 33 Literary Milieux (2008)
- 34 The Uses of Bookishness (2009)
- 35 Country Virtues, City Vices in Longus, Daphnis and Chloe? (2009)
- 36 Socrates’ Cock and Daphnis’ Goats: The Rarity of Vows in the Religious Practice of the Greek Novels (2012)
- 37 Caging Grasshoppers: Longus’ Materials for Weaving ‘Reality’ (2013)
- 38 ‘Milesian Tales’ (2013)
- 39 A Land without Priests? Religious Authority in Longus, Daphnis and Chloe (2015)
- 40 Poetic Elements in the Greek Novelists’ Prose (2017)
- 41 Captured Moments: Illustrating Longus’ Prose (2018)
- 42 Λέξεις Λόγγου (2019)
- 43 Animals, Slaves and Masters in Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe (2019)
- 44 The Demotion of the Literary Cowherd (2019)
- 45 Callimachus and Longus (2019)
- 46 Silence in Chariton, Xenophon, Achilles Tatius and Longus (2020)
- Bibliography
- Index Locorum
- Index of Greek Terms
- General Index
Summary
This chapter argues that it was unlikely that an Attic theatre audience, many of whom will have studied with a sophist, could not tell the difference between Socrates and a sophistic teacher of rhetoric, and that it was significant that it was only well into the play, when Aristophanes had established his ‘Socrates’ as like the ‘real’ Socrates in several respects, that he started to bring out the role of his stage-figure in teaching rhetoric – a role he gave him because his purpose in Clouds was to κωμωιδεῖν, ‘make fun of in a comedy’, both Socrates and sophists. This argument hangs to some extent on the socio-economic distribution of spectators in the theatre of Dionysus in Athens, and on the size of that theatre.
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