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Camden Third Series , Volume 42 , December 1929 , pp. 213 - 229
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Copyright © Royal Historical Society 1929

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page 213 note 1 “Moved that Grey might bee discharged of his imprisonment.” B.

page 213 note 2 “Haveing proved all by oath that was formerly alledged, hee shall leave all the matter wholly to their lordships consideracion.” B.

page 214 note 1 “Vile disposicion.” B.

page 214 note 2 “affaires of this Kingdome and Christendome would bee in great ieapordie.” B.

page 214 note 3 “The Great Monarchie of Spaines swelling hath bine by the prudence of other accions endevoured to be asswaged and here in the tyme of that prudent Queen Elizabeth.” B.

page 214 note 4 “They are not of our disposicion for if they cannot attaine to their ends at 1, 2, 3, or 4 yeeres experacion, they will doe it at the fifth yeeres end.” B.

page 214 note 5 “Upon the Frence formerly wee have bine victorious, but how wee have succeeded lately shall not bee the subiect of my discourse. In all our enterprises lately wee have bine as hee that shoots against a marble whose arrowe rebounds backe upon himselfe. The Lord hath not gone forth with our Armies. Wee have bine to our freinds and Alies as a broken reede in the hand of him that trusts to it which perceth him. Howe liveth the Lady Elizabeth and her Children? I cannot speake of her without much sorrowe. Howe standeth it with the King of Denmarke? The Pope, Italy, and in facte the whole Christian world our enemies. The Flemings are likely to bee a great scourge to us by Sea. Wee have but one finale Porte in all the world that wee cane with any safetie putt into. If we should distract ourselves and our enemies ioyne, what might bee the danger of this state.” B.

page 215 note 1 “That when any thing that concernes the presidents of this Howse, and properly belonges to this Howse, that those Lords of the privie Counsell that are neere to his Majesty would enfourme him that they properly belonge to the howse and that they might bee referred to the consideracion of it.” B.

page 215 note 3 “That a Subcommittee bee appointed to consider the present state of the Kingdome and that a Committee bee appointed to drawe upp the particulars.

“E[ARL] Of Huntingdon. Idem.

“Lord Carlile. That there bee noe Committee because the King is not ignorant in what estate the Kingdome nowe stands being soe fully declared in the beginning of the parlement by bis owne particular appointment. And that being knowne abroade in the world, it would seeme strange after this longe tyme to enfourme his Majestie of it. That as yesterday and truly heare in what ill case we stand. Yett there is some comforte amongst our freinds soe that this parlement goes on for the raising of moneyes. That the happines of this Kingdome stands in the well ending of this Session, and I thinke noe man here is soe blinde but sees the unhappines wee are likely to fall into if wee end not well,” B.

page 216 note 1 “Lord Archbishop of Cant[erbury] and Other Lords. That it is requisite that a Remonstrance of the present estate of the Kingdome be declared to his Majestie, but the tyme they thinke not nowe fitt.

“E[arl] of Clare. That being the King hath positively sett downe that Wensday shall bee the last day of this Session.” B.

page 216 note 2 “Sir Henry Shurley at the Barr.

“1. Charged with scandalizing aboute spades and pickaxes. Hee denyed the words.

“The Lord President. Certified the House that severall witnesses affirmed it uppon oath at the Committee.

“3. Under pretence of letters from the Councell that 2100 li. was gathered but 700 li. disbursed. Denyed. Affirmed by the deposicions.

“4. Knapsackes scandall. Denyed.

“That Sir Henry Sh: said to a man that if his lord leiftenante were in his office this tyme twelfemonth, he would give him any castall of them all 100 li.

“Sir H: Sh: That a drunken fellowe came to his Howse and misbehaved himselfe. The E: of Hunt: being lately sicke in the affray that waged if I had bine deceaved I had lost 100 li.” B.

page 217 note 1 “Lord Bishop of Co. et Lich. The same.” B.

page 217 note 2 “Bishop of Bath et W. I concure with the Lords that wee might have another and fuller answer, and that we desire his Majestie to sett some tyme longer.” B.

page 217 note 3 “E[arl] of Herteford and Arundell. That we desire no explanation and declaracion uppon his Majesties answere but that wee might have a Parliamentary and satisfactorie Answere.” B.

page 218 note 1 Added: “but not to fall uppon particulars.” B.

page 218 note 2 “E[arl] of Arundell. Read the Submission that Sir Henry Shurley should make here in the Howse. And also in the Country.” B.

page 218 note 3 “Reported the Charge against Dr. Manneringe. That being it was a matter wherein there was great cause that the words should bee observed, he desired that he might make use of his papers, which was read with the Charge engrossed in the Commons House.” B.

page 219 note 1 “Agreed by a generall consent.” B.

page 219 note 2 Before this: “That hee stand in the Pillory at Chepeside and in Banbury.” B.

page 219 note 3 “That their lordships would bee pleased to take his voluntary appearance. That hee knowes not that he hath broken the priviledge of this howse.” B.

page 219 note 4 “That Sir Henry Fynes doe cease his sute. To be released paying his Fees.” B.

page 220 note 1 “Lord Bishop of Lincoln. That shall nowe desire to bee heard in the adding to his Charge, as hee hopes to be heard in his behalfe for mercie when hee shall bee charged. That there is noe proper justice betweene the Father and the Sonne, nor betweene the Master and Slave, but betweene the King and his Subiect there is proper Justice. Graunted that what is the Sones is the Fathers, and what is the Creatures is the Creators, Dr. Manwering uppon that infers that what is the Subjects is the Kings.

“Dr. Mannering at the barr.

“Lord Keeper. That the Commons have transferred you upp to their lordships, and the lords desire that justice should bee done in all causes.

“Dr. Mannering desired paper and incke, which was granted.

“Mr. Attorney generall caused the Charge against Dr. Mannering should bee read, which was accordingly done. That the lawes doe give a proprietie of goods in the Subiects, the violacion of which may prove fatall to any Kingdome. His doctrine would overthrowe all Parliaments, and would take away the proprietie of goods which would overthrowe a Common wealth. For why doe [they] endeavor to have estate but that they might enioye them.

“Mr. Sergiant Crewe. The word Unitie. That you saie the King is not inferior to any Angell. The severall particulars in his booke recited. That hee takes away all fundamentall lawe, all Justice in Parliaments and all other Courts. The doctrine tendes to sedition. You remove all Justice and all Courts and leave to the government by will and pleasure which is in noe State. That the King of England is a sworne Prince to govern according to lawe and Composicion of the State. King James in his booke, that Kings in quiet and setled Monarchies, when they leave to rule according to the laws there established, are Tyrants not Kings. A former Statute was made for the punishing of such as should sowe sedicion betweene the Kinge and his people.

“Mr. Attorney generall. That two things to bee observed in the end of this Great buisines. The one is that the deposicions and examinacions are forraine, but out of your owne mouth you are to bee Judged. The other, Dr. Cowells booke, and what became of it your lordships knowe. That Dr. Cowells Errors is yours, Mr. Dr. Mannering.

“Sir Daniell and Mr. Whitakers deposicions read.

“Dr. Mannering. That the Charge brought from the Commons to your Honours. Hee protested before the God, before whome he stands, his intents never was to abrogate lawes or to worke sedicion in peoples harts, but as hee then conceaved to the good service to the King and safetie of the people. Requests, 1, That hee may have a Coppie of his Charge. 2, and tyme to answere. 3, That hee may have Councel to speake for him in matter of lawe. 4, That hee may bee confined to his House to peruse his bookes.” B.

page 221 note 1 “Lord Steward. That if hee desire tyme that hee may have it, but not to perswade him to submitt himselfe to the mercie of your lordships, but that this might proceed from himselfe.

“Lord Bishop of Lincoln. That the Charge wherewith Dr. Ma: standeth charged with are noe newe things. Out of two sermons preached by him and printed. But that if hee required tyme, your lordships will give it him. But if you doe not determinate this matter this Session, you will mingle with that wine that his Majestie hath fixed the Capp for the libertie and proprietie of goods.

“E[arl] Marshall. That Dr. Ma: might have tyme to Fryday to answere, and that hee may have libertie to peruse his bookes.” B.

page 222 note 1 The two accounts of this debate are so different that the second must be given in full.

“Lord Bishop of Lincoln. That being this poore man hath offended in soe high a nature, which hath proceeded through want of deepe iudgement, that your lordships will bee pleased to reserve an extenuacion of his Judgement before this Session end.

“Lord Say. That we are not ready for a Censure for his Sermons of recantacion I doubte would: bee rather as his speech this day, and thereby rather iustifie then reced from what hee had formerly preached.

“Lord Bishop Lincoln, 1, That his bookes bee burned in both universities, and before the Parliament. 2, That hee bee fully degraded of all orders. 3, That if after you please to restore him, that hee never preach in the Courte. 4, That he bee fyned at the lest in 1000 li.

“Say. His Pleasure thinke fitt to bee (vizt.): 1, Fine and imprisonment, this for his person, to. meete with him according to his owne crime. 2, That hee should bee an infamous person, [illegible] to meete with him. 3, To make him uncapable of his function. 4, That hee bee degraded and that lefte to them to whome tis proper. 5, That hee bee silenced from preaching. 6, To bee thought an unworthie man to Preach before the Kinge. 7, That his bookes bee burned both here in towne and in the Universities.

“Lord Carleton. In criminall causes, it is considerable whether hee flye or not. This man,. though his falte was laid home, endeavored not to fly. The 2d, whether his falte proceed from malice, in this, I presume, hee offended not, because he though[t] hee proceeded from error. Since hee hathpresented himselfe with soe much humilitie, that wee inclyne to the milder parte of his censure. Fine and imprisonment, that hee preach both in the Court and other places, that hee read his sermon publiquely, and that hee bond himselfe with due bonds. If the burning his bookes did wholly concerne himselfe, I should condiscend thereunto. But to bee carefull in this that wee offend not his Majestie herein. That letters were sent from the bishops to ministers to speake to this matter. That in this tyme there were several complaints came to his Majestie which were subpressed. That those that lent monys and those that refused did both with good harts.

“E[arl] of Dorsett. That uppon the Censure the Commons will bee soe interest that wee cannot receed from what shall bee pronounced against him.

[Censure. L.J. 3: 855–56.]

“E[arl] of Bristoll. That noe man will discent from the burning of the booke. Is it thought fitt to punish the man. Shall wee leave his doctrine on foote and few men left [so] infamous toposterity. The chiefe worke is the burning of the bookes. That wee proceed with all respect to his-Majestie. I conceave this may bee done without any disrespect to his Majestie. That wee appointe a Committee to waite uppon the King to give reason of the burning of them.” B.

page 225 note 1 “That wee consider of a particular which is that wee are lefte out of the Subsidie in the graunting of the mony. That wee are not by lawe enjoyned to pay mony, or els wee are included to pay our mony without our assents. That we have a conference with the Commons about it.

“Lord Mountague. The same.” B.

page 225 note 2 “Lord Duke. That wee might have a Conference with the Commons concerning the mistake of the Subsidie.” B.

page 225 note 3 “Hee is a member in the Commons Howse, hee is towards the lawe, his name is Mr. Lewtnor.” B.

page 225 note 4 “Lord Bishop of Lincoln. I see noe reason that this Court should bee more tyed upp then any Courts in Westminster hall for matters of fourme. That at a Conference wee may amend that which I may saie is a wronge in the Subsidie but not to deliver it out of our custodie.” B.

page 226 note 1 “E[arl] of Huntingdon. That the mocion for the precedencie of Cambridge might bee entered into Consideracion.

“After longe debate it was resolved by those of Cambridge that they would make a protestacion being Oxon had precedencie before Cambridge.

[Message from the Commons. L. J. 3: 860b.]

“Lord Duke. That wee loose more tyme. I conceave that if your lordships thought this buisines would take upp any tyme, yee would not have sent that wee may enter a Protestacion.” B.

page 226 note 2 “Lord Bishop of Lincoln. That the Lord Keeper have power not of the parlement to send for [blank] and cause him to cease his suite or els to committe him.

“Lord Bishop of Roffen. That order bee taken with the disorder of pages. This referred to the Committee for priviledges and their lordships to have power to send for such as have lately misbehaved themselves and to punish them as they shall thinke fitt.

“Nevill Keye, Roberte Dobson, Edward Dalison in the E[arl] of Derbyes cause.

“Lord Say. That the Committee for priviledges doe sitt this afternoone, that Respitt of Homage may be considered. To consider of an Accademy, and writts directed to the Clerke of the Parliament concerning Judgements and Fynes.” B.

page 226 note 3 “The absence and sicknes of a nobleman, the E[arl] of Devon, I am putt and very lately, uppon a Reporte concerning the Muscovy Company. And being very longe 1 shall, with your lordships favors, make use of my papers. Soe, hee did in parte make his reporte and the ordeis that it concerned were read.

“This Report to bee adjourned till tomorrowe and then to bee the first in the morning.” B.

page 227 note 1 “That the lords have considered of the bill for prohibiting of sending over popish recusants, that there are to bee severall alteracions, but that the Commons bee sent to that some of them meete aboute the said bill for a Conference on Monday next.” B.

page 227 note 1 “Lord Bishop of Lincoln and E[arl] of Clare. The same.” B.

page 228 note 1 “Samuell Porkerame, John Nickson, William Dawes, Andrewe Person in Nicholas Morgans cause against the East Indian Company.

“Lord Gorring. That the King will this afternoone send word what his Majesties pleasure is concerning the proceeding of the Bill for the Queens Joincture.

“E[arl] of Clare. Reported the order concerning Grey for his enlargement paying such fee as his lordship hath thought fitt. Ordered accordingly.

“E[arl] of Clare. Reported the order concerning the widowe Horsleys cause. It was by the Howse uppon the miserable reperacion of Rogers the b[ee]fe[a]t[er] and the Petioners trouble. That the Cause bee wholly dismissed out of this Court.

“E[arl] of Clare. Reported the Cause of a poore man at Salley sollicited by his wife.

“Ad. 4 this afternoone.” B.

page 229 note 1 “Die Lune 20 Octobris 1628.

“Domini Spirituales et Temporales quorum nomina subscribuntur praesentes fuerunt.

“The Commission for the adiourning of the Parliament to the 20th of January next was read by the Clerke, and the lord Keeper (being one of the Commissioners) prorouged the Parliament accordingly.

“Prorouged to the 20th of January 1628.” B.