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1869
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 23 November 2009
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At night after every one else had gone to bed I had a curious conversation with Delane. 1st. he told me on my enquiring it of him that it was true that he was shown in the winter of 1866 a printed draft Reform bill substantially founded upon the resolutions which were at that time kept in MS. in the Cabinet which Lord Derby and Disraeli would not put into print for fear of their becoming known, and which even they at first refused to circulate among the Cabinet. Was there ever such treachery? 2nd. The present Government are deliberating upon endowing the Roman Catholic Church and the Presbyterians with the money available of the Irish Church. They applied to Delane to help them, but he declined to do this. He looks upon it as good in itself but as a breach of public faith.
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288 A Royal Commission on Ritualistic Practices in the Church of England, ‘to inquire into the varying interpretations put upon the rubrics, orders and directions’, had been formed in June 1867. When Gladstone invited Carnarvon to join the Commission in December 1868, the latter wrote in his diary, ‘Lord Stanhope wishes to discuss the Anathasian Creed, Venn and the Low Churchmen to alter the absolution of the sick, Stanley to throw down all dogmatic restrictions. It is very doubtful whether I can do any good, but it seems just possible that at this moment an attempt might be made to stop this dangerous opening out of every question and so though with great doubt, I have decided to accept’ (Diary, 28 December 1868).
289 ‘His very pronounced Low Church proclivities coupled perhaps with a certain jealousy towards him as a newcomer prevented him from being popular there’ (J. Bryce, ‘Lord Chancellor Cairns’, in Studies in Contemporary Biography (New York, 1920), p. 186).
290 Sir William Withey Gull (1815–1890), physician to Queen Victoria (1887–1890).
291 On 3 March, Gladstone announced that he proposed to introduce a bill to end the Established Church in Ireland.
292 ‘I have a list of 35 or 36 Peers already who will either stay or vote for the second reading of the Bill and I hope and believe it will grow’ (Carnarvon to Salisbury, 7 June 1869: Hatfield House Papers, 3M/E).
293 John Frederick Campbell (1817–1898), 2nd Earl Cawdor (1860), Con. MP for Pembrokeshire (1841–1860).
294 Hugh Cholmondley (1811–1882), 2nd Baron Delamere (1855), Con. MP for Denbighshire (1840–1841) and for Montgomery (1841–1847).
295 The second reading of the Irish Bill took place that day: Hansard, CXCVI, 8 June 1869, cols 1370–1391.
296 George Leveson-Gower (1815–1891), 2nd Earl Granville (1846). Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs (1840–1841), Foreign Secretary (1851–1852, 1870–1874, 1880–1885), Colonial Secretary (1868–1870, 1886).
297 Granville wrote to Gladstone after the meeting, ‘He is always oversanguine in this matter’ (Ramm, 1952, I, p. 27).
298 Third night of second reading: Hansard, CXCVII, 17 June 1869, Derby, cols 18–41, Salisbury, cols 81–98.
299 Derby apologized to Carnarvon the following day, ‘I am glad to find that your opinion in favour of a “Free Church” did not go as far as I supposed’ (14th Earl of Derby to Carnarvon, 18 June 1869: CP, BL 60765, fos 36–37). For Carnarvon's reply, see Carnarvon to Derby, 18 June 1869: Derby Papers, 920 DER (14) 163/5A.
300 Richard Bickerton Pemell Lyons (1817–1887), 2nd Baron Lyons (1858), ambassador at Paris (1867–1887), 1st Earl Lyons (1887).
301 Fourth night of the second reading, and the vote: Contents 179, Not-Contents 146. Carnarvon voted with the Contents.
302 Hansard, CXCVII, 18 June 1869, Cairns, cols 267–301, Hatherley, cols 247–267.
303 Carnarvon informed Salisbury, ‘This conversation is strictly private to yourself alone. Lowe begged that I would so consider it’ (Carnarvon to Salisbury, 26 June 1869 (copy): CP, BL 60761, fo. 5).
304 Chichester Samuel Fortescue (1823–1898), created 1st Baron Carlingford (1874). Lib. MP for Louth (1847–1874), Under-Secretary for the Colonial Office (1857–1858), Chief Secretary for Ireland (1856, 1868–1870).
305 Fortescue, as Liberal Chief Secretary, had discovered that there was no power in ecclesiastical law to compel an incumbent to build a glebe house, except where the net revenue of the benefice exceeded £100 per annum, or to spend two years’ income on the house. Many had been built voluntarily. Fortescue devised a plan to give a half of the value of glebe houses free to the disestablished church. Gladstone did not approve of the plan, stipulating much greater punitive terms of purchase. See D.H. Akenson, The Church of Ireland: ecclesiastical reform and revolution (New Haven, CT and London, 1971), pp. 255–256.
306 Henri-Eugène-Philippe-Louis d'Orléans, duc d'Aumale (1822–1897), elected to French Assembly (1871).
307 Committee stage of the bill; Carnarvon was the last speaker in the debate: Hansard, CXCVII, 29 June 1869, cols 746–747.
308 Salisbury wrote from Hatfield, ‘We have done our utmost to conciliate those who will not be conciliated and can go no further with honour. I am not quite so despondent as you are, but undoubtedly we have a stiff struggle before us’ (Salisbury to Carnarvon, 29 June 1869: CP, BL 60758, fos 65–66).
309 Hansard, CXCVII, 1 July 1869, cols 869–943. St Patrick's College, a seminary that provided priests, had been disestablished in 1869 with compensation of £369,000.
310 George William Barrington (1824–1886), 7th Viscount Barrington (1867). Private secretary to 14th Earl of Derby (1866–1868), Con. MP for Eye, Suffolk (1866–1880), Vice-Chamberlain of the Household (1874–1880).
311 See entry for 4 March 1867.
312 Derby died on 23 October.
313 Archibald Campbell Tait (1811–1882), Bishop of London (1856–1868), Archbishop of Canterbury (1868–1882).
314 Hansard, CXCVIII, 20 July 1869, cols 235–343; Contents 96, Non-Contents 174.
315 Fort Sumter, South Carolina, was attacked by the Confederates on 12–13 April 1861, marking the beginning of the American Civil War.
316 For details, see Granville to Gladstone, 21 July 1869 (Ramm, 1952, I, p. 37).