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24. John Nelson [Jackson] to Thomas More (20 March 1612) (AAW A XI, no. 45, pp. 121–2.)

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  13 October 2009

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v. r. and beloved Sr

I went of purpose in feb: last to see old mr Dolman whose auncientnes yow may conice [ture] by that he was preist at Rome when D. Sanders was made preist and assisted him as his father when he said his first mass. I conferred with him about the point of Bishops and he told me that at that tyme pius 4th as I take it or 5th and as farr as he remembres the whole College of Cardinalls did hold it requisite that some Inglish Bishops shold be made to condnew the succesion, and that some I know not who besides the L. Mountague who was then thear or had been thear thowght it fit to be stayed tyll they had the opinions of the confesseurs that at that tyme wear in prison hear, of whom some wear Bishops.

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References

635 Alban Dolman, the Marian priest who had acted in May 1595 as one of the arbitrators during the ‘Wisbech stirs’, CRS 51, passim. In 1593 Robert Gray confessed to the authorities that Dolman had visited Cowdray in 1589 or 1590 and was known to Anthony Browne, first viscount Montague, PRO, SP 12/245/138.

636 Nicholas Sander, Catholic polemicist.

637 A draft paper, now in the Vatican archives, which relied on information supplied by Nicholas Sander to Cardinal Giovanni Morone in summer 1561 (or was perhaps even drawn up by Sander), contains proposals for the appointment of imprisoned Catholic clerics as bishops in England, Bayne, C.G., Anglo-Roman Relations 1558–1565 (Oxford, 1913), 127, 282–5Google Scholar; McCoog, T.M., Monumenta AngliaGoogle Scholar (forthcoming), appendix III.

638 Anthony Browne, first Viscount Montague, who had been an ambassador at Rome in Mary Tudor's reign, Cokayne IX, 98.

639 i.e. Dolman.

640 For the petition (concerning attendance at Protestant service) to Rome in 1562 by English Catholics, see Walsham, A., Church Papists (1993), 22Google Scholar; Bayne, , Anglo-Roman Relations, 163–81Google Scholar; McCoog, , Monumenta AngliaGoogle Scholar, appendix III.

641 The rumour was the one spread by Roland (Thomas) Preston OSB that Thomas Fitzherbert ‘is Card, or at least bb with autority over our cause as Card Allen had’, AAW A XI, no. 30 (p. 78). On 5 May 1612 (NS) Anthony Champney passed on John Jackson's report that Fitzherbert may have been made cardinal ‘and that some Iesuite showld say thereuppon lett them nowe gett Bb. & spare not for he shalbe superintendant over Ingland and dispose of all’. This was highly distasteful, said Champney, considering that Fitzherbert ‘hathe so disorderly a sonne [Edward] as he ys reported to be and no cath(olike) as ys sayd’, AAW A XI, no. 73 (p. 211). Edward Bennett remarked that Edward Fitzherbert was ‘owt of gods church’ and unlikely to return, though, in August 1613, Bennett attended his death and reported that he ‘died very well, and repentant althoughe his lief had been most scandalous’, AAW A X, no. 148 (p. 417), XII, no. 154 (p. 345).

642 See Letter 25.

643 Possibly the recusant James Wilford of Lenham, Kent. The Wilfords were not part of the secular clergy's network of patrons.

644 Ralph Green had entered the English College in Rome in October 1607, having been reconciled to the Church of Rome by John Jackson, CRS 54, 186–7; CRS 37, 148–9. In November 1610 he had left the college in order to enter SJ, CRS 75, 196.

645 Bartholomew Legate. See McClure, , 337Google Scholar; Letter 36.

646 See Letter 23.

647 ‘Royale’ in printed version (James, I, Declaration du Roy, touchant le faict de C. Vorstius (1612)Google Scholar).

648 ‘Dieu’ in printed version.

649 ‘vante’ in printed version.

650 in printed version.

651 ‘conjonction’ in printed version.

652 ‘Dieu’ in printed version.

653 ‘ces’ in printed version.

654 ‘une’ in printed version.

655 James Montague.

656 Thomas Rant, Oratorian priest. Rant wrote to More on 20 November 1612 (NS), AAW A XI, no. 209.

657 Cornelius O'Devany, Bishop of Down and Connor, and Patrick O'Lochran, executed on 1 February 1612. Both were Franciscans. The reason for O'Devany's condemnation was, according to John Finet, that ‘he was titular bishop of Downe during Tyrone's rebellion, guilty of his treasons, and received a conditional pardon that he should take the Oath of Allegiance’, which he had subsequently refused, and was ‘found otherwise machinating’, Doumshire MSS III, 285Google Scholar; cf. Murphy, D. (ed.), Our Martyrs (Dublin, 1896), 238–56Google Scholar. Benjamin Norton thought the cause was ‘suspicion of powder treason’, AAW A XI, no. 24 (p. 60).

658 On 26 February 1612 Benjamin Norton wrote to More that O'Devany had shown exemplary courage. He refused a reprieve which was offered to him on condition that he conformed, and he stiffened the resolve of O'Lochran. ‘A creeple was cured beeinge at his deathe’ and ‘the people toke awaye his quarters’, and the ‘probabilities of truth’, wrote Norton, ‘are for that one tolde me this from my Brother Neddes [see Letter 1] mouthe, whoe had it of his sister whoe as I have writne in my laste lettres is a widdowe & shee had it from a Irishe lordes mouthe & as I thinke hee was the Lorde Melvyn [Richard Nugent, fourth Baron Delvin, great-nephew of Anthony Browne, first Viscount Montague] whoe was at the execution’, AAW A XI, no. 24 (p. 60); cf. Murphy, , Our Martyrs, 255–6Google Scholar. Edward Bennett wrote to More on 1 March 1612 that at the execution, which took place after sunset, a Protestant clergyman ‘who accompanied them to the place of execution with intent to have perverted them was him self soddenly stroken dead as he fixed his eies upon them when they were hanging, after ther death alsoe a straing miraculous accident fell owt, to [w]it, that on whose arme was lame going owt with others to cutt of some part of them for devotion: returned back with his arme whoale’, AAW A XI, no. 30 (p. 77).

659 Cf. Russell, C.W. and Prendergast, J.P. (eds), Calendar of State Papers, relating to Ireland…1611–14 (1877), 192.Google Scholar